[PCplus] Digest Number 16109

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1.

Apa merk Cd blank yg bagus? From: DigiZER

2a.

Re: Partisi hardisk eksternal ? From: muchammad sobihan

3a.

Re: ngembaliin e-mail yang kehapus From: rururanpyon

4.1.

OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI From: wizwuzw

4.2.

Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT From: Nero Sumargono

4.3.

Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT From: xaviero

4.4.

Re[2]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OO From: Nero Sumargono

4.5.

Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT From: siBass

4.6.

Re: Re[2]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI From: siBass

4.7.

Re[3]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OO From: Mat Gemboel

5.

RAS menggunakan Modem CDMA From: TMSTEAIGN

6.

[TANYA] VRay dan masalah DVD-RW From: bloo_buster

7.

Workstation From: Nova Kurniawan

8a.

Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Chandra R.

8b.

Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Nero Sumargono

8c.

Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Mat Gemboel

8d.

Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Chandra R.

8e.

Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: ramlan.adnan@gmail.com

8f.

Re[2]: [PCplus] Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Mat Gemboel

8g.

Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ? From: Chandra R.

9a.

Re: [TANYA] Memperbaiki Kabel Switch Power ke Mobo From: Mat Gemboel

10a.

kelamaan bangett startup From: sendy

10b.

Re: kelamaan bangett startup From: djoko@nugroho

10c.

Re: kelamaan bangett startup From: Nero Sumargono

11.1.

Re: IP Address From: ian

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1.

Apa merk Cd blank yg bagus?

Posted by: "DigiZER" Tes@lookproductinfo.Com

Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:32 pm (PDT)

Ahlo smua
ada yang doyan burning2?
Sharing dong apa merk cd blank yg bagus (baca: awet) ?
Selama ini saya pakai merk gt pro.Ya cukup bagus.Hampir semua cd sukses di bakar. Artinya jarang terjadi kegagalan burn.
Akhir2 ini saya heran cd2 yang lama jadi tidak bisa dibaca. Meski pake cd drive yg baru.
Saya iseng cek cd2 yg dipake unk backup ( disimpan dan jarang dipake ) ternyata sebagian besar tdk ke baca. Padahal tempat penyimpanan kering. Bebas debu.
Ternyata menyimpan cd bukan jaminan data awet ya.

Ada 1 merk, verbatim. Tp yg lama. 1 cd blank ada box covernya sendiri2.
Tapi sayang saya ngga menemukan toko yang jual cd jenis ini, ada yang punya info?

Kalo ada yang punya tips merawat cd. Bagi2 juga lah,

demikian sedikit curhat dari saya
thanks. Aha..

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2a.

Re: Partisi hardisk eksternal ?

Posted by: "muchammad sobihan" must.bihan@gmail.com

Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:33 pm (PDT)

Bung Willy….

Makasih banyak bung Willi atas penjelasanya….

Klo saya tetep pake Partition Magic 8.0 apa akan mengalami masalah dengan
hasil partisi ? ( kata anda kan udah discontinue ).

M. Sobihan

Willy Saefurrahman" weellex18@yahoo.com
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Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:02 you said :
………. Oh, ya Partition Magic 8.0 kan telah discontinue.... Lebih baik gunain
program partisi lain aja deh yang bisa dukung HDD eksternal, basis
USB/1394. Paragon bisa tuh.

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Re: ngembaliin e-mail yang kehapus

Posted by: "rururanpyon" rururanpyon@yahoo.co.id   rururanpyon

Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:32 pm (PDT)

--- In mailplus@yahoogroups.com, imcw <merakih@...> wrote:
>
> rururanpyon :
>
> r> halo smua.. ada yang tau gimana cara ngembaliin e-mail yang udah
> r> kehapus? matur suwun..
>
> Cek di folder trash.
> --
> i made cock wirawan
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folder trash-na sebelah mana?

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4.1.

OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI

Posted by: "wizwuzw" cumiasin@gmail.com   wizwuzw

Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:36 pm (PDT)

pantessss kuping gw pengeng banget weekend kemarin plus bangkis2 gak
jelas juntrungannya .. rupanya toh, anyway busway tgl 20.08.2008
pengelola gedung gak ada yg mau nyewain bukan karena apa2 .. bulan
ramadhan hoyyy .. lagipula gimana honeymoon-nya kwkwkwkwk

eh iya, cuman klarifikasi aja .. sorry banget Om & Tante sekalian
numpang OOT dowang, tapi ya tetep minta do'anya supaya dimudahkan
urusannya kali ini ^^

Jazakallah khairan

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> --------------- Quoted Message ---------------
> From ian <ian2amd@...>
> Date 08-Jun-2008 10:44:52 +0700
> Titled OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> > > Bertepatan dengan Hari Proklamasi kah?
>
> > kaya'ne sih nggak tepat tgl segituh.
> > Disaranin sih tanggal 20-08-2008 aja, nomor cantik tuh... dan ngasih
> > maskawinnya gampang: kalender th 2008 dua bijik :D
>
> wakss.. sorry OOT colongan..
> beneran neh si cumi nikah agustus besok? belum ada kabar-kabari di
blognya, yg ada malah doi sakit
> tipus bulan kemaren..
>
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Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT

Posted by: "Nero Sumargono" itpribadi@yahoo.com.sg   itpribadi

Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:28 pm (PDT)

Hello wizwuzw,my answer is

KAKAKAKAKAAK...

satu jomblo telah pergi :( tambah sepi nih warung gemblunk :(

Tuesday, June 10, 2008,11:36:56 AM, you said!:
> pantessss kuping gw pengeng banget weekend kemarin plus bangkis2 gak
> jelas juntrungannya .. rupanya toh, anyway busway tgl 20.08.2008
> pengelola gedung gak ada yg mau nyewain bukan karena apa2 .. bulan
> ramadhan hoyyy .. lagipula gimana honeymoon-nya kwkwkwkwk

> eh iya, cuman klarifikasi aja .. sorry banget Om & Tante sekalian
> numpang OOT dowang, tapi ya tetep minta do'anya supaya dimudahkan
> urusannya kali ini ^^

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Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT

Posted by: "xaviero" xaviero1412@yahoo.com.au   xaviero1412

Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:54 pm (PDT)

jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ?? ;p

Nero Sumargono wrote:
> Hello wizwuzw,my answer is
>
> KAKAKAKAKAAK...
>
> satu jomblo telah pergi :( tambah sepi nih warung gemblunk :(
>
>
>
>

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Re[2]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OO

Posted by: "Nero Sumargono" itpribadi@yahoo.com.sg   itpribadi

Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:54 am (PDT)

Hello xaviero,my answer is

*pura2ndakbaca*

Tuesday, June 10, 2008,1:51:15 PM, you said!:
> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ?? ;p

> Nero Sumargono wrote:
>> Hello wizwuzw,my answer is
>>
>> KAKAKAKAKAAK...
>>
>> satu jomblo telah pergi :( tambah sepi nih warung gemblunk :(
>>
>>
>>
>>

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4.5.

Re: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OOT

Posted by: "siBass" bakt_noorseta@yahoo.com.sg   bakt_noorseta

Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:07 am (PDT)

ya gak boleh ikutan dung . . enak aja . . "ngitil" dibelakang . .
bikin acara sendiri napa . .

On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, xaviero wrote:

> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ?? ;p
>
> Nero Sumargono wrote:
>> Hello wizwuzw,my answer is
>>
>> KAKAKAKAKAAK...
>>
>> satu jomblo telah pergi :( tambah sepi nih warung gemblunk :(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Re[2]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI

Posted by: "siBass" bakt_noorseta@yahoo.com.sg   bakt_noorseta

Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:09 am (PDT)

diperjelas

>>
>> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ??
>> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ??
>> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ??
>> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ??

On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Nero Sumargono wrote:

> Hello xaviero,my answer is
>
> *pura2ndakbaca*
>
>
> Tuesday, June 10, 2008,1:51:15 PM, you said!:
>> jadi kapan ente mo ikutan ?? ;p

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4.7.

Re[3]: OOT cumikawin WAS Re: [PCplus] SATA Native support & AHCI==OO

Posted by: "Mat Gemboel" si_mat_gemboel@yahoo.com.sg   si_mat_gemboel

Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:10 am (PDT)

Hello Nero Sumargono,

Sudah sudah... OOT'e dilanjut pas wik en wae... Ndak enak ama yg laen...
So, jadinya kapan Kang meh ijab ??? Wakakakakaka... *teteup*
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 2:51:45 PM, Nero Sumargono [itpribadi@yahoo.com.sg] wrote:
> *pura2ndakbaca*

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5.

RAS menggunakan Modem CDMA

Posted by: "TMSTEAIGN" tmsteaign@gmail.com

Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:18 am (PDT)

Rekan-rekan Mailplus, adakah yang tahu mengenai setting RAS (Remote Access Service) (komunikasi 2 komputer berjauhan kota) menggunakan Modem CDMA+Jaringan Telepon Seluler CDMA? Karena biasanya kami menggunakan jaringan PSTN (Telepon tetap rumah (Telkom)) dan semua berjalan lancar untuk mengirim data. Mohon tanggapannya, terima kasih.

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6.

[TANYA] VRay dan masalah DVD-RW

Posted by: "bloo_buster" bloo_buster@yahoo.com   bloo_buster

Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:26 am (PDT)

Halo bapak2 dan mas2 sekalian, mao tanya nich..

1. Di mana bisa dapet VRAY Demo buat 3ds Max 7 ya? Punya saya dapet
dari CD bonus buku "Membuat Objek Realistik dengan 3ds Max" terbitan
Maxikom dah kadaluarsa..nyoba mundurin tanggal sistem tetep gak dapet
pula T_T dan parahnya lagi, nyari di net malah 'nyasar' kesitus2 warez..

2. DVD-RW saya kena trobel. Saya beli kompie di Mega Bazaar Computer
tahun ini (MAret lalu) dengan spek
Pentium Dual Core 1,8GHZ
HDD 160 GB SATA
VGA GeForce 7500GT 256MB (maaf kurang ingat)
RAM 2GB
DVD-RW Samsung
.
Nah, baru dua bulan saya pake, mendadak saya baru menyadari ada yang
ganjil. Kalau saya sedang mengkopi file dari DVD/CD ke PC sementara di
saat bersamaan saya sedang nonton film/muter mp3, maka file2
multimedia yang sedang diputar akan segera tersendat-sendat hingga
proses pengkopian file selesai. Sebenarnya kenapa ya? Dulu sih saya
pernah nge-gep temen2 kuliah nonton film (format DVD-Video) yang
"semipanas" sampe 3 DVD di kompie saya (setelah saya tinggal pergi ke
warung sebentar. Nah sejak kejadian itu kompie saya jadi 'aneh'
begitu. Padahal tadinya saya ngeburn VCD sambil mendengarkan mp3
dengan PC yang sama, gak ada masalah. PC saya yang lama (P 4 2,4 GHZ,
RAM 1GB, VGA 128MB, HDD 40GB, CD-RW Lite-On) saja ga ada masalah
dengan pengkopian file dari keping CD ke PC sambil
mendengarkan/memainkan file multimedia.

Atas pencerahan dan perhatiannya saya ucapkan terima kasih ^^

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7.

Workstation

Posted by: "Nova Kurniawan" nova239@gmail.com

Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:28 am (PDT)

Berapa kira2 harga sebuah workstation yang mampu mendukung hobi saya
dalam editing video?

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8a.

Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Chandra R." chan8lus2006@yahoo.com.sg   chan8lus2006

Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:42 am (PDT)

Rekan tadinya dah cocok dgn Firefox, habis gak tahu
kenapa tiba2 IE gak bisa add favorit, eehh malah sekarang
firefox juga utk setting defaultnya gak bisa save bukti transaksi
di klikbca, setting apa yg hrs diubah utk mengatai masalah ini ?
thx b4.

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Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Nero Sumargono" itpribadi@yahoo.com.sg   itpribadi

Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:11 am (PDT)

Hello Chandra,my answer is

sptnya sulit :)

krn biasanya web2 spt itu hanya kompatibel di IE

Tuesday, June 10, 2008,5:42:20 PM, you said!:
> Rekan tadinya dah cocok dgn Firefox, habis gak tahu
> kenapa tiba2 IE gak bisa add favorit, eehh malah sekarang
> firefox juga utk setting defaultnya gak bisa save bukti transaksi
> di klikbca, setting apa yg hrs diubah utk mengatai masalah ini ?
> thx b4.

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Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Mat Gemboel" si_mat_gemboel@yahoo.com.sg   si_mat_gemboel

Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:10 am (PDT)

Hello Chandra R.,

Hmmm... Kalu ane, bukti transaksi simpen di PDF wae... Cukup print to PDF... Wekekekekekekeke...
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 5:42:20 PM, Chandra R. [chan8lus2006@yahoo.com.sg] wrote:
> firefox juga utk setting defaultnya gak bisa save bukti transaksi
> di klikbca, setting apa yg hrs diubah utk mengatai masalah ini ?

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Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Chandra R." chan8lus2006@yahoo.com.sg   chan8lus2006

Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:37 am (PDT)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mat Gemboel" <si_mat_gemboel@yahoo.com.sg>
To: "Chandra R." <mailplus@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PCplus] Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

> Hello Chandra R.,
>
> Hmmm... Kalu ane, bukti transaksi simpen di PDF wae... Cukup print to
> PDF... Wekekekekekekeke...

ya sdh kalo gitu, khusus utk transaksi di klikbca pake IE, lainnya pake
firefox,..:)

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Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "ramlan.adnan@gmail.com" ramlan.adnan@gmail.com

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:15 am (PDT)

Boss kenapa tidak daftarkan saja email anda di klick BCA,
setiap setelah transaksi bisa terima email confirmasi semacam bukti
transaksi.
RA

----- Original Message -----
From: Chandra R.
To: Mailplus
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: [PCplus] Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Rekan tadinya dah cocok dgn Firefox, habis gak tahu
kenapa tiba2 IE gak bisa add favorit, eehh malah sekarang
firefox juga utk setting defaultnya gak bisa save bukti transaksi
di klikbca, setting apa yg hrs diubah utk mengatai masalah ini ?
thx b4.

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Re[2]: [PCplus] Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Mat Gemboel" gemboel_asli@yahoo.co.id   gemboel_asli

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:21 am (PDT)

Rekan Chandra R....

Lha wong ane pake FF ndak masalah jeee... Save to PDF, bisa dikirim sebagai bukti kalau perlu... :)

Salam,
Mat Gemboel
mat_gemboel@indodiecast.com

Email'nya Chandra R. (chan8lus2006@yahoo.com.sg) tanggal 10 Juni 2008 jam 20:33:44 :
> ya sdh kalo gitu, khusus utk transaksi di klikbca pake IE, lainnya pake
> firefox,..:)

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Re: Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

Posted by: "Chandra R." chan8lus2006@yahoo.com.sg   chan8lus2006

Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:46 am (PDT)

----- Original Message -----
From: <ramlan.adnan@gmail.com>
To: <mailplus@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PCplus] Firefox gak bisa save bukti transaksi di klikBCA ?

> Boss kenapa tidak daftarkan saja email anda di klick BCA,
> setiap setelah transaksi bisa terima email confirmasi semacam bukti
> transaksi.

benar & saya dah lama daftarkan email saya, masalahnya setelah
transaksi baru dpt email tsb (pastilah), takutnya kalo sampe gak
dpt email tsb, beda kalo kita langsung save bukti transaksi tsb.
BTW kok tiba2 IE saya bisa add favorit lagi, pdhal gak ada yg
diubah settingannya ?

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9a.

Re: [TANYA] Memperbaiki Kabel Switch Power ke Mobo

Posted by: "Mat Gemboel" si_mat_gemboel@yahoo.com.sg   si_mat_gemboel

Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:10 am (PDT)

Hello Arif Rahman,

Biasanya cuman copot solderan'nya... Gampang banget memperbaikinya kok... :)
Caranya, ya buka dulu front panel casing sampeyan. Nanti akan terlihat muara kabel² tsb... Biasanya ada yg copot solderan'nya... Cukup disolder ulang pasti semua akan beres seperti sedia kala...

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Monday, June 9, 2008, 7:31:26 PM, Arif Rahman [frozenman89@gmail.com] wrote:
> Nah, pertanyaanku. Kalau mau tahu kira-kira rusaknya dari switch power
> sampai ujung kabel power switch itu di mana, gimana ya? Terus, cara
> perbaikannya ada yang punya saran? Kalo bisa sih, sarannya jangan ganti case
> (walaupun pengin juga sih, ganti case yang lucu-lucu sekarang ini), soalnya
> lagi dalam rangka penghematan. :D

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10a.

kelamaan bangett startup

Posted by: "sendy" sendy_insysg6@yahoo.co.uk   sendy_insysg6

Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:23 am (PDT)

Halo om-om.. ada yang tawu gak,,laptop gwa pake XP trus sekarang waktu
startupna lama banget,,mang masuk loginya cepet,,tapi mulai dari startup
ampe sebelum muncul taskbar na lama banget,,dah berbagai cara gwe
coba.termasuk matiin startup yg ga penting,,,ada yang bias bantuin gak..

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10b.

Re: kelamaan bangett startup

Posted by: "djoko@nugroho" utopi38@yahoo.com   djokoan

Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:40 am (PDT)

Cek dulu tuh kali ada virus kampung yang makan tenaga tukul anda dan bikin lemot abis...kali lho...

--- On Tue, 6/10/08, sendy &lt;sendy_insysg6@yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote:
From: sendy &lt;sendy_insysg6@yahoo.co.uk&gt;
Subject: [PCplus] kelamaan bangett startup
To: mailplus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 8:13 PM

Halo om-om.. ada yang tawu gak,,laptop gwa pake XP trus sekarang waktu

startupna lama banget,,mang masuk loginya cepet,,tapi mulai dari startup

ampe sebelum muncul taskbar na lama banget,,dah berbagai cara gwe

coba.termasuk matiin startup yg ga penting,,,ada yang bias bantuin gak..

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Re: kelamaan bangett startup

Posted by: "Nero Sumargono" itpribadi@yahoo.com.sg   itpribadi

Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:44 am (PDT)

Hello sendy,my answer is

coba cek program apa saja yg terload.bisa dr startup or msconfig

Tuesday, June 10, 2008,8:13:36 PM, you said!:
> Halo om-om.. ada yang tawu gak,,laptop gwa pake XP trus sekarang waktu
> startupna lama banget,,mang masuk loginya cepet,,tapi mulai dari startup
> ampe sebelum muncul taskbar na lama banget,,dah berbagai cara gwe
> coba.termasuk matiin startup yg ga penting,,,ada yang bias bantuin gak..

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Re: IP Address

Posted by: "ian" ian2amd@yahoo.com.sg   ian2amd

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:03 am (PDT)

> In mailplus@yahoogroups.com, "LuckyGuy354" <wiwid-l@...> wrote:
>
> Ada yang punya daftar IP Adress di seluruh dunia? Atau paling nggak
> sebagian deh. Seperti misalnya 202.xxx.xxx.xxx untuk Indonesia. Bener nggak
> nih? Yang saya bingung, kok telkomnet ngacak sih IP Address-nya? Keseringan pakai
> 6x.xxx.xxx.xxx

> LuckyGuy354
> IT Beginner
> Hormati orang lain terlebih dulu jika Anda ingin dihormati orang
> lain pula

Asal dapet komisi aja kalo buat bikin buku lho ya! :D
http://en.utrace.de/
http://en.utrace.de/ip-addresses/

*hormaaaat grraak*
*jumundur.majumundur* :B
*matilawiwit (nero-TM)*
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ian

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